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Bookies always set a total goal handicap on a football match based on the average number of goals for the particular league vs the home ground goal tendency vs the strength of the teams playing.

So for example, in EPL the average goals per game is about 2.6. So in overall, all EPL matches should have a total goal handicap of 2.5 for all their matches.

Next the bookies will evaluate on the goal tendency based on the home ground of the team. If lets say Swansea home ground produces very little goals, the total goal handicap will be set for 2.25 in normal circumstances for football matches.

Lastly, if the teams involved is unevenly matched. Lets say Man Utd away give 1 ball to Swansea and hence, the total goal handicap for the game will be placed higher than the normal 2.25. Probably it will be set at 2.75 instead. Make sense to you?

 

Look at the following chart.

 

Let X = the normal total goal handicap for a match

 

                                                                                    BOOKIES EXPECTATION OF GOALS IN A GAME

                                                                                                                                                

           VERY UNDER                 UNDER                                     NORMAL                                      OVER                              VERY OVER

             X - 0.5                                 X - 0.25                                         X                                                 X+0.25                             X+0.5
 

 

So to give you a better impression, let me provide an example.

Man Utd Vs Arsenal

Both teams standard arent too far off isnt it? And based on the average goals per match in EPL and with no teams giving more than 0.75 or 1 ball to each other,

Bookies should set this total goal handicap at 2.5 right?

But lets say bookie set 2.75, isnt it telling you bookies are expecting this match to over? or if bookies set 2.25, isnt it telling u it will be under?

 

With the above mentioned in mind, 3 Tier Handicap Ruling is just taking 'Under, Normal, Over' at the above chart. The whole chart can be called 5 Tier Handicap Ruling but lets not think so much ok?

 

 



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that means we must first find out the avg goals scored per game of that particular league we are interested in?




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3 Tier Handicaps For Some Leagues

 

EPL = 2.25, 2.5 , 2.75 (Some teams like Swansea, Wigan, Stoke, QPR,etc at home is 2, 2.25, 2.5)

ISA = 2, 2.25, 2.5

GBL = 2.25, 2.5, 2.75 (Some teams like Dortmund, Schalke, Bayern,etc at home is 2.5, 2.75 ,3)

SPL = 2, 2.25, 2.5 (Some teams like Valencia, Malaga, Atletico Madrid, etc at home is 2.25, 2.5 , 2.75)

French Ligue 1 = 2, 2.25, 2.5

 

The reason why u need to understand bookies impression of the goal tendency in a match is to help u decide better on betting on Asian Handicap.

For example, if the total goal is set at 3.5 but one team is giving Asian Handicap 2.5. You can safely say the goals should mostly come from the team that is giving 2.5 handicap.

Like wise if the total goal is set at 3 goals but both teams are level on handicap. You can safely say the goals will come at both ends, right?

Any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks.

 



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quote originally posted by lacroix:

 

that means we must first find out the avg goals scored per game of that particular league we are interested in?


no need. it is better if u find out the total goal handicap odds on average set by bookies on a particular match for a team at home for the season.

 

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Lets use a case study:

Upcoming game at 7am:

USA Major League Soccer
07:00
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San Jose Earthquakes
Draw
  1.720   0.5-1 0.94   2.50 o 0.81   o 1.00   2.280   0-0.5 0.92   1.0 o 0.91  
  4.300     0.98     u 1.09   e 0.90   4.300     0.96     u 0.97  
3.750  
 
  2.240    

Disclaimer: I am using current odds and hence analysis might not be accurate because I haven check on opening odds.

 

Ok for MLS games, the 3 Tier is 2, 2.25, 2.5 for most games.

Bookie opened 2.5 win 81 now clearly show their expectation of over for this match.

New York Red Bulls is giving a handicap of 0.75 and hence, the final result of the game, Red Bulls should be scoring more goals than Earthquakes.

**Bear in mind, bookies expectation for over DOES NOT MEANS SURE OVER because the 'codes aka odds signals' still lies on the water money that the odds trader sets. This one I will not go thru. Maybe next time.=)**



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Another different example:

 

04/15 23:00 Saint Etienne
Brest
Draw
  1.750   0.5-1 1.04   2.0 o 0.90   o 1.04   2.400   0-0.5 0.95   0.5-1 o 0.82  
  5.000     0.88     u 1.00   e 0.86   4.900     0.95     u 1.08  
3.250  
 
  2.090    

For French Ligue games:

3 Tier is 2, 2.25, 2.5

 

Bookie set 2 goals for this game clearly showed their expectation for this match is UNDER.

But Saint Etienne is giving 0.75 which is consider quite high because bookies are expecting 2 goals or lesser in this game.

It goes to show Saint Etienne might be the only team scoring in this game and it seems to be a ploy to ask ppl to eat handicap since the handicap is high when the expectation of goals is so little. Saint Etienne might win!

**Bear in mind, since we analysed Saint Etienne might win and they might even win 3-0 and hence, bookies expectation of UNDER doesnt mean sure under, it means in this case Saint Etienne should win if not why set so high handicap and low total goals?**

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ok very logical...
my mind now gong gong liao...need to zzz le...continue this tmr...thanks bro! Smile




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quote originally posted by KlavierJoenessGavin:

Lets use a case study:



Upcoming game at 7am:










































































USA Major League Soccer

07:00
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New York Red Bulls
San Jose Earthquakes
Draw

 

1.720

 

0.5-1

0.94

 

2.50

o

0.81

 

o

1.00

 

2.280

 

0-0.5

0.92

 

1.0

o

0.91

 

 

4.300

 

 

0.98

 

 

u

1.09

 

e

0.90

 

4.300

 

 

0.96

 

 

u

0.97

 

3.750

 


 


 

2.240

 

 


Disclaimer: I am using current odds and hence analysis might not be accurate because I haven check on opening odds.



 



Ok for MLS games, the 3 Tier is 2, 2.25, 2.5 for most games.



Bookie opened 2.5 win 81 now clearly show their expectation of over for this match.



New York Red Bulls is giving a handicap of 0.75 and hence, the final result of the game, Red Bulls should be scoring more goals than Earthquakes.



**Bear in mind, bookies expectation for over DOES NOT MEANS SURE OVER because the 'codes aka odds signals' still lies on the water money that the odds trader sets. This one I will not go thru. Maybe next time. Smile**





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Hi, in your NY Red Bulls / San Jose Earthequakes and Saint Etienne / Brest, both over water money is lesser than under water money, which contradicts thread 5 of lesson 1. Yet both games are over

So does the following statement holds true, is it an important criteria

4. The Over odd water money must be higher than Under odd water money. Cannot both sides win same odd. *IMPORTANT*

Thanks for clarifications



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quote originally posted by SN638:

Hi, in your NY Red Bulls / San Jose Earthequakes and Saint Etienne / Brest, both over water money is lesser than under water money, which contradicts thread 5 of lesson 1. Yet both games are over

So does the following statement holds true, is it an important criteria

4. The Over odd water money must be higher than Under odd water money. Cannot both sides win same odd. *IMPORTANT*

Thanks for clarifications


Lesson 1 is basically teaching you one of the odds signal that is referring to over will open in the game. There are other odds signals which I haven go thru yet and I wouldnt say I know all the odds signals in this world so there are games which opened over might be not within my knowledge.

besides, there are games which favours give ball handicap to clear. when give ball handicap clears, sometimes the game will occur to be over even though the odds signals under. in such scenarios, i would tend to give ball rather than bet under.

remember the bookies could only control or predict 1 out of the four outcomes of give or eat and over or under. the adjacent outcome that comes along with eat or give or over and under is just a coincidence. Meaning to say:

Lets say bookies odds signals give 1.5 balls. FT 5-0. Over ball also win. or FT 2-0 but under wins.

Lets say bookies odds signals under 2.5 balls FT 0-0. Eat ball happens to win, etc.

for saint etienne game, bookies are firmed that etienne will win but happened that opposite team scored and saint etienne got to work harder to score another goal since they should be winning this game. this is why soccer is a sport and in sports, no outcome is for sure because there are human factors involved in participating it and hence, there is no sure win.

what i am doing now is actually decoding what the bookies are forecasting. it is because of the bookies' forecast, they can manipulate the odds such that punters will be taking opposite of their forecasts and lose.



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Noted with thanks. Think I understand



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Hi bro, thks so much for the teaching. Can I ask a very noob question? How do I calculate the water money? I am still trying my best to digest all the information. Thks again.



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quote originally posted by EarningExtra$:

 

Hi bro, thks so much for the teaching. Can I ask a very noob question? How do I calculate the water money? I am still trying my best to digest all the information. Thks again.

This one I dunno. Till now after alot of research I cant tell how the bookies set the water money. I believe it is by their own discretion before they lay the odds.

Reason is since I know what odds signals lies beneath most water money and hence, the bookies set the water money always in favour of one out come.

1. Give ball

2. Eat ball

3. Over ball

4. Under ball

Maciam multiple choice.

So once the odds is set, the odds traders can slowly adjust the water money or odds based on the following factors:

1. Team news

2. Market influence

3. Lay trap for punters to fall into it.

This is why I cannot stress further why initial odds is extremely important.

 

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Alert:

Upcoming game tomorrow 21:30PM:

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04/18 **:** Dolcan Zabki
Arka Gdynia
Draw
  2.720   0.0 1.08   2.5-3 o 1.16   o 1.00   3.350   0.0 1.06   1.0 o 0.88  
  2.380     0.82     u 0.74   e 0.90   2.980     0.82     u 1.00  

I dun have the inital odds. But this is a good game to monitor. if water money drops for give ball lower than under before KO, sure over.



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Another decent game:

04/18 **:** Ruch Radzionkow
Pogon Szczecin
Draw
  2.820   0.0 1.16   2.50 o 1.00   o 1.00   3.400   0.0 1.07   1.0 o 1.02  
  2.300     0.76     u 0.88   e 0.90   2.970     0.81     u 0.86  

For polish games 2.5 is considered highest among the 3 Tier Handicap. The bet offer for the above post is freakingly 2.75.



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Another upcoming game the morning after tomorrow's:

04/19 **:** Boca Juniors
Zamora Barinas
Draw
  1.170   2.0 0.82   3-3.5 o 0.97   o 1.00   1.470   1.0 0.96   1-1.5 o 0.70  
  18.000     1.11     u 0.93   e 0.90   8.750     0.92     u 1.21  
6.000  
 
  3.100    
04/19 **:** Boca Juniors
Zamora Barinas
Draw
      2-2.5 1.12   3.0 o 0.75                          
        0.81     u 1.17                          
   
 
 

For boca home games, 3 Tier handicap is 2, 2.25, 2.5 but this game is 3.25 -  3 levels higher.

Main reason due to huge handicap of -2 but it is just 1 ball higher than -1 which is the maximum handicap where 3 Tier Ruling is valid.



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quote originally posted by KlavierJoenessGavin:


This one I dunno. Till now after alot of research I cant tell how the bookies set the water money. I believe it is by their own discretion before they lay the odds.



Reason is since I know what odds signals lies beneath most water money and hence, the bookies set the water money always in favour of one out come.



1. Give ball



2. Eat ball



3. Over ball



4. Under ball



Maciam multiple choice.



So once the odds is set, the odds traders can slowly adjust the water money or odds based on the following factors:



1. Team news



2. Market influence



3. Lay trap for punters to fall into it.



This is why I cannot stress further why initial odds is extremely important.



 




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the bookmakers use a nobel prize winning statistical model to set their odds...




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the bookmakers use a nobel prize winning statistical model to set their odds...



yes but i am not sure how they derive the exact water money. because simply they can put

 

-1.75 win 75

or they suka suka put -1.75 win 30 instead of -2.25 win 80.

 

They can open whatever they one actually. The model they use to derive asian handicap is something call goal rating.

 

It is a formula based on the total number of goals scored in the competition for both teams combined with the goal strength of at home and at away for respective teams and with some other factors involved. I lost that pdf file. let me search and i show u.

 


 



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yes but i am not sure how they derive the exact water money. because simply they can put



 



-1.75 win 75



or they suka suka put -1.75 win 30 instead of -2.25 win 80.



 



They can open whatever they one actually. The model they use to derive asian handicap is something call goal rating.



 



It is a formula based on the total number of goals scored in the competition for both teams combined with the goal strength of at home and at away for respective teams and with some other factors involved. I lost that pdf file. let me search and i show u.



 




 





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Sorry admin but the pdf file very hard for me to cut and paste contents here.

 

For those interested in Asian Handicap Derivation, please refer to this link: http://www.football-bets.co.uk/download/compile-soccer-odds.pdf

Dun bother about what ebook the main website is selling cos the above one is FOC and u can take reference on the part which is talking about goal ratings into poisson model calculation.

 

Poisson regression model is used for TG. The stats bookies have determines the TG handicap for each league which is why I created the 3 Tier Handicap Ruling.

 

If u wanna know why ppl use Poisson? It is because this formula was supposingly created to calculate certain repetitive events in a given amount of time. Yes an nobel award winning formula.

 

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Based on lessons learn from your Odds Reading Thread, I observed Jeonbuk vs Buriram and it satisfied your criteria, so went to whack it over 2.5 just now, half time already clear. Thank you.

Good lesson to learn.

I seriously doubt I can understand all that you can impart, but I am confident that if matches satisfy the criteria you listed in the first thread, it has a very high chance of clearing the over handicap. Thanks for that, think enuff to make money liao, no need to play all, just focus on those that satisfy. Wink



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quote originally posted by SN638:

Based on lessons learn from your Odds Reading Thread, I observed Jeonbuk vs Buriram and it satisfied your criteria, so went to whack it over 2.5 just now, half time already clear. Thank you.

Good lesson to learn.

I seriously doubt I can understand all that you can impart, but I am confident that if matches satisfy the criteria you listed in the first thread, it has a very high chance of clearing the over handicap. Thanks for that, think enuff to make money liao, no need to play all, just focus on those that satisfy.




Bro, I don't see Jeonbuk fitting the requirements. Maybe just pure luck only.


Shifu, these 2 matches are looking good.
[8] Linkopings (w) - Tyreso FF (w) [3]
3.25 goal handicap is the max. normal goal handicap for both teams are 2.75, 3.0. Hardly over 3.25, also based on their past records, only 1 match over 3.25. Bookie so nice to tell the whole, come come buy under?! Evil Grin Evil Grin

02:45 [11] Cambridge United - York City [5]
Swee swee odds also. But SBOBET handicap changed to -0.25, since I am using 365, the odds is still the same.




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Hi guys I have been following this thread & the other thread opened by Klavier Bro & I should say it is very consistent so far.

Hanshen, I saw York City odds too. Very nice. Also spotted Al-Ahli vs East Riffa match. Fitting the criteria..




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quote originally posted by SlackerZ:

Hi guys I have been following this thread & the other thread opened by Klavier Bro & I should say it is very consistent so far.

Hanshen, I saw York City odds too. Very nice. Also spotted Al-Ahli vs East Riffa match. Fitting the criteria..




Woo, Ahli odds more swee. Hopefully, later my site got plate.
BTW, York City handicap changed already.

I realized that the matches that fit the requirement are those from ulu/unpopular leagues whereby match fixing can be easily done.




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quote originally posted by hanshen888:

Woo, Ahli odds more swee. Hopefully, later my site got plate.
BTW, York City handicap changed already.

I realized that the matches that fit the requirement are those from ulu/unpopular leagues whereby match fixing can be easily done.




Ya yest I took Al Khor over..some Gulf Championship league.

Linkoping women give ball water money seems to be rising too..




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quote originally posted by SlackerZ:

Ya yest I took Al Khor over..some Gulf Championship league.

Linkoping women give ball water money seems to be rising too..




Both match give up already since handicap changed already.

Sometimes, it makes me wonder. Bookies they adjusted odds until 1.50+ then don't want to change handicap, lol.

Anyways, Bro. Any other matches on your list?




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quote originally posted by hanshen888:

Both match give up already since handicap changed already.

Sometimes, it makes me wonder. Bookies they adjusted odds until 1.50+ then don't want to change handicap, lol.

Anyways, Bro. Any other matches on your list?




Haha not yet...very hard to find the matches that hit the 4 criteria.

Anyway got a bro saying he took Jeonbuk over...actually I was looking at the odds and thought it was good until 30mins before the game start they raised the handicap and so I gave up.




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quote originally posted by SlackerZ:

Haha not yet...very hard to find the matches that hit the 4 criteria.

Anyway got a bro saying he took Jeonbuk over...actually I was looking at the odds and thought it was good until 30mins before the game start they raised the handicap and so I gave up.




haha ok Bro. If got good match, lets share.

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Good to see ppl discussing these reading.

I made a mistake and took Buriram Under 3.

Bookies did set the odds Jeonbuk -1.5 Win 83 and Over 3.25 Win 95 Under win 85 for a moment.

Before KO, it dropped to Jeonbuk -1.5 Win 108 and Over 3 Win Full.

I would say bookies hinted abit subsequently changed their minds over this game with the thought Buriram might not score too many goals.

U can say it is more towards luck.



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Hi bro been reading your thread for sometimes.

What do you think of the match between Hull City vs Barnsley

Home Draw Away Open Asian Handicap Close Asian Handicap Total Goals Market
Competition Date Day Home HT FT HT/FT Away WH WH WH Home Home Away Away Home Home Away Away Over AH Under Home Away Change
EPL 19-Apr-09 Sun Tottenham Hotspur 1-0 1-0 HH Newcastle United $1.61 $3.60 $6.00 1.90 -3/4 +3/4 2.00 1.875 -3/4 +3/4 2.025 2.025 2.50 1.875 2.5
EPL 26-Jan-10 Tue Tottenham Hotspur 1-0 2-0 HH Fulham $1.61 $3.60 $6.00 1.90 -3/4 +3/4 2.00 1.875 -3/4 +3/4 2.025 2.00 2.50 1.90 81 19 2.5
E Championship 18-Apr-12 Wed Hull City Barnsley $1.67 $3.60 $5.50 1.90 -3/4 +3/4 2.00 1.875 -3/4 +3/4 2.025 1.95 2.25 1.95 76 24




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Yes Klavier Bro I saw that change of handicap too. In the end Jeonbuk did not win handicap too.

Anyway thanks for sharing with us. I would say its very informative and best of all it will make you bet calmly instead (at least for me).

Anyway saw another game although maybe not so perfect...West Ham. Thoughts?




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quote originally posted by WinningExpert:

Hi bro been reading your thread for sometimes.

What do you think of the match between Hull City vs Barnsley

Home Draw Away Open Asian Handicap Close Asian Handicap Total Goals Market
Competition Date Day Home HT FT HT/FT Away WH WH WH Home Home Away Away Home Home Away Away Over AH Under Home Away Change
EPL 19-Apr-09 Sun Tottenham Hotspur 1-0 1-0 HH Newcastle United $1.61 $3.60 $6.00 1.90 -3/4 +3/4 2.00 1.875 -3/4 +3/4 2.025 2.025 2.50 1.875 2.5
EPL 26-Jan-10 Tue Tottenham Hotspur 1-0 2-0 HH Fulham $1.61 $3.60 $6.00 1.90 -3/4 +3/4 2.00 1.875 -3/4 +3/4 2.025 2.00 2.50 1.90 81 19 2.5
E Championship 18-Apr-12 Wed Hull City Barnsley $1.67 $3.60 $5.50 1.90 -3/4 +3/4 2.00 1.875 -3/4 +3/4 2.025 1.95 2.25 1.95 76 24




Bro, bookie opened the lowest tier goal handicap for Hull City 2.25. Hence, unable to predict this match.




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Hull City's 3 Tier Handicap is 2, 2.25 , 2.5

It is not signalling over. It is Hull City's normal handicap.



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quote originally posted by hanshen888:

Bro, bookie opened the lowest tier goal handicap for Hull City 2.25. Hence, unable to predict this match.




Thanks bro.

Looking at the odds, Hull give -0.75 is very nice at the moment.

Rates for AH go down from 1.90 to 1.875 which is 2.5 change
Market is on Hull.

Logical thinking if people is taking hull the rates for Hull must drop and the change is not too significant.

The average goals for hull game is 2 and the bookie set 2.25 is over the average and is mid.




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quote originally posted by KlavierJoenessGavin:

Hull City's 3 Tier Handicap is 2, 2.25 , 2.5

It is not signalling over. It is Hull City's normal handicap.




Thanks bro actually i dun play TG. i am analysing your info and see how it can enhance my handicap success.




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Bro anyone can share their thoughts on this game between Cardiff and Derby


Home Draw Away Open Asian Handicap Close Asian Handicap Total Goals Market
Competition Date Day Home HT FT HT/FT Away WH WH WH Home Home Away Away Home Home Away Away Over AH Under Home Away Change
Italian Serie A 22-Mar-09 Sun Fiorentina 0-0 1-0 DH Siena $1.57 $3.50 $7.00 1.775 -3/4 +3/4 2.125 1.90 -3/4 +3/4 2.00 2.125 2.50 1.775 12.5
UEFA Cup 16-Sep-10 Thu Stuttgart 1-0 3-0 HH Young Boys $1.61 $3.75 $5.50 1.775 -3/4 +3/4 2.125 2.05 -1 +1 1.85 1.80 2.75 2.10 76 25 27.5
E Championship 18-Apr-12 Wed Cardiff Derby $1.60 $4.00 $5.50 1.775 -3/4 +3/4 2.125 2.00 -1 +1 1.90 1.925 2.50 1.975 73 27




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FYI.

A few more countries 3 Tiers Handicap

Argentina games = 2, 2.25 win full, 2.25 win 80+

Mexican Clausura and USA MLS = 2.25, over 2.5 Win Full, over 2.5 Win 70-80

Japanese league 1 & Australia A-League = 2.25, 2.5, 2.75

Japanese league 2 & China Super League = 2, 2.25, 2.5

Korean league 1 = 2, 2.25, 2.5(Jeonbuk home 2.5, 2.75, 3)

Chile Divison 1 = 2.5, 2.75, 3

Thai league = 2.25, 2.5 , 2.75

Sleague = 2.5, 2.75, 3

M League = 2.25, over 2.5 Win Full, over 2.5 Win 70-80

Russian games = 2, 2.25, 2.5



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quote originally posted by WinningExpert:

Bro anyone can share their thoughts on this game between Cardiff and Derby


Home Draw Away Open Asian Handicap Close Asian Handicap Total Goals Market
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Italian Serie A 22-Mar-09 Sun Fiorentina 0-0 1-0 DH Siena $1.57 $3.50 $7.00 1.775 -3/4 +3/4 2.125 1.90 -3/4 +3/4 2.00 2.125 2.50 1.775 12.5
UEFA Cup 16-Sep-10 Thu Stuttgart 1-0 3-0 HH Young Boys $1.61 $3.75 $5.50 1.775 -3/4 +3/4 2.125 2.05 -1 +1 1.85 1.80 2.75 2.10 76 25 27.5
E Championship 18-Apr-12 Wed Cardiff Derby $1.60 $4.00 $5.50 1.775 -3/4 +3/4 2.125 2.00 -1 +1 1.90 1.925 2.50 1.975 73 27




Cardiff TG 2.5 is normal.



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quote originally posted by WinningExpert:

Bro anyone can share their thoughts on this game between Cardiff and Derby


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Italian Serie A 22-Mar-09 Sun Fiorentina 0-0 1-0 DH Siena $1.57 $3.50 $7.00 1.775 -3/4 +3/4 2.125 1.90 -3/4 +3/4 2.00 2.125 2.50 1.775 12.5
UEFA Cup 16-Sep-10 Thu Stuttgart 1-0 3-0 HH Young Boys $1.61 $3.75 $5.50 1.775 -3/4 +3/4 2.125 2.05 -1 +1 1.85 1.80 2.75 2.10 76 25 27.5
E Championship 18-Apr-12 Wed Cardiff Derby $1.60 $4.00 $5.50 1.775 -3/4 +3/4 2.125 2.00 -1 +1 1.90 1.925 2.50 1.975 73 27




Hmm based on what I understand from this thread's theory, it does not meet the criteria. Also give ball water $$ rising. Cardiff quite strong at home so I guess they can win by 1 goal? Just my 2 cents..

For now I think the West Ham game can 'drop durians', borrowing the quote from Klavier Bro lol.




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Ok since u talked about West Ham, lets take a look:

 

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1.06 +0.5/1 0.84 2012-04-17 23:12:30
1.06 +0.5/1 0.83 2012-04-17 23:12:03
1.04 +0.5/1 0.85 2012-04-17 23:05:10
1.06 +0.5/1 0.83 2012-04-17 22:55:42
1.04 +0.5/1 0.85 2012-04-17 22:39:43
1.06 +0.5/1 0.83 2012-04-17 22:13:14
1.04 +0.5/1 0.85 2012-04-17 22:07:31
1 +0.5/1 0.89 2012-04-17 22:06:35
0.99 +0.5/1 0.9 2012-04-17 22:02:11
1 +0.5/1 0.89 2012-04-17 21:56:33
0.99 +0.5/1 0.9 2012-04-17 21:50:40
1 +0.5/1 0.9 2012-04-17 21:50:02
1.01 +0.5/1 0.89 2012-04-17 21:46:37
1 +0.5/1 0.9 2012-04-17 21:35:40
1.02 +0.5/1 0.88 2012-04-17 21:30:00
1 +0.5/1 0.9 2012-04-17 21:16:08
0.99 +0.5/1 0.9 2012-04-17 20:49:26
1.02 +0.5/1 0.88 2012-04-17 20:43:55
1.12 +0.5/1 0.78 2012-04-17 20:34:40
1.1 +0.5/1 0.8 2012-04-17 20:31:01
1.08 +0.5/1 0.82 2012-04-17 20:27:31
1.1 +0.5/1 0.8 2012-04-17 20:23:15
1.12 +0.5/1 0.78 2012-04-17 20:22:40
1.1 +0.5/1 0.8 2012-04-17 17:47:40
1.12 +0.5/1 0.78 2012-04-17 17:45:42
1.1 +0.5/1 0.8 2012-04-17 17:01:11
1.08 +0.5/1 0.82 2012-04-17 16:49:39
1.06 +0.5/1 0.84 2012-04-17 16:32:32
1.05 +0.5/1 0.85 2012-04-17 16:31:23
1.09 +0.5/1 0.81 2012-04-17 16:29:26
1.08 +0.5/1 0.82 2012-04-17 16:11:54
1.1 +0.5/1 0.8 2012-04-17 16:04:41
1.08 +0.5/1 0.82 2012-04-17 15:07:18
1.1 +0.5/1 0.8 2012-04-17 15:02:48
1.08 +0.5/1 0.82 2012-04-17 14:58:29
1.1 +0.5/1 0.8 2012-04-17 14:57:57
1.08 +0.5/1 0.82 2012-04-17 14:44:51
1.07 +0.5/1 0.83 2012-04-17 14:44:17
1.06 +0.5/1 0.83 2012-04-17 14:43:47
1.08 +0.5/1 0.81 2012-04-17 14:28:16
1.06 +0.5/1 0.83 2012-04-17 14:12:58
1.04 +0.5/1 0.85 2012-04-17 13:24:21
1.06 +0.5/1 0.83 2012-04-17 13:00:45
1.04 +0.5/1 0.85 2012-04-17 12:56:58
1.05 +0.5/1 0.84 2012-04-17 12:56:27
1.07 +0.5/1 0.82 2012-04-17 12:36:33
1.05 +0.5/1 0.84 2012-04-17 12:23:05
1.03 +0.5/1 0.86 2012-04-17 12:19:14
1.05 +0.5/1 0.84 2012-04-17 12:18:15
1.03 +0.5/1 0.86 2012-04-17 12:01:29
1.02 +0.5/1 0.87 2012-04-17 11:34:54
1 +0.5/1 0.89 2012-04-17 10:34:33
0.98 +0.5/1 0.91 2012-04-17 06:34:54
0.96 +0.5/1 0.92 2012-04-17 04:54:45
0.99 +0.5/1 0.89 2012-04-17 03:54:32
0.96 +0.5/1 0.92 2012-04-16 23:35:07
0.93 +0.5/1 0.95 2012-04-16 11:54:04
0.92 +0.5/1 0.96 2012-04-15 19:34:34
0.93 +0.5/1 0.95 2012-04-15 19:14:48
0.9 +0.5/1 0.98 2012-04-15 18:54:57(Initial)
Over O/U Under Time Updated
0.96 2.5/3 0.92 22:57 17/04/2012
0.93 2.5/3 0.95 22:55 17/04/2012
0.96 2.5/3 0.92 22:23 17/04/2012
0.93 2.5/3 0.95 22:23 17/04/2012
0.99 2.5/3 0.89 21:57 17/04/2012
1.02 2.5/3 0.86 21:41 17/04/2012
1 2.5/3 0.88 21:40 17/04/2012
0.96 2.5/3 0.92 21:31 17/04/2012
0.99 2.5/3 0.89 20:44 17/04/2012
0.96 2.5/3 0.92 20:24 17/04/2012
0.93 2.5/3 0.95 20:22 17/04/2012
0.96 2.5/3 0.92 18:21 17/04/2012
0.97 2.5/3 0.91 17:59 17/04/2012
0.98 2.5/3 0.9 17:11 17/04/2012
0.97 2.5/3 0.91 16:48 17/04/2012
0.94 2.5/3 0.94 16:33 17/04/2012
0.96 2.5/3 0.92 15:46 17/04/2012
0.93 2.5/3 0.95 15:46 17/04/2012
0.96 2.5/3 0.92 14:13 17/04/2012
0.93 2.5/3 0.95 13:05 17/04/2012
0.95 2.5/3 0.93 13:05 17/04/2012
0.92 2.5/3 0.96 12:59 17/04/2012
0.94 2.5/3 0.94 12:17 17/04/2012
0.91 2.5/3 0.97 12:15 17/04/2012
0.94 2.5/3 0.94 11:15 17/04/2012
0.96 2.5/3 0.92 06:34 17/04/2012
0.96 2.5/3 0.9 04:14 17/04/2012
1 2.5/3 0.86 03:54 17/04/2012
0.75 2.5 1.11 19:54 16/04/2012
0.8 2.5 1.06 18:54 15/04/2012(Initial)

 Openning odds: 2.5 is normal for Bristol home games but favour over. West ham giving quite high balls for an away match. Looks good for West Ham to give ball.

Current odds: TG rose to 2.75 Over water money higher than under ball. Give ball water money having a decent gap towards Under ball water money.

It seems West Ham looks good to win. First leg West Ham home 0-0. This game sure got goals.

0.75 is quite a high handicap for Lesson 1's over ball betting odds signal. I always stress that the lower the handicap the scoring burden is shared with both teams. Can West Ham score 3 goals? Take West Ham better if odds remains like this or similar to opening odds.



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Hmm based on what I understand from this thread's theory, it does not meet the criteria. Also give ball water $$ rising. Cardiff quite strong at home so I guess they can win by 1 goal? Just my 2 cents..

For now I think the West Ham game can 'drop durians', borrowing the quote from Klavier Bro lol.




Thanks bro, Cardiff had drawn 4 times in a row at home. the reasons why bookie up the AH to -1 and bring the rates for Cardiff down is to tempt punters to take Derby.
When the AH up to -1 the opening odds for Cardiff is 2.10 and below the change support that is a straight home win for Cardiff

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Competition Date Day Home HT FT HT/FT Away WH WH WH Home Home Away Away Home Home Away Away Over AH Under Home Away Change
EPL 30-Aug-08 Sat Middlesbrough 1-0 2-1 HH Stoke City $1.61 $3.60 $6.00 1.80 -3/4 +3/4 2.10 2.075 -1 +1 1.825 1.95 2.50 1.95 27.5
Italian Serie A 13-Sep-09 Sun Fiorentina 0-0 1-0 DH Cagliari $1.60 $3.60 $6.00 1.80 -3/4 +3/4 2.10 2.075 -1 +1 1.825 2.05 2.50 1.85 27.5
UEFA Cup 16-Sep-10 Thu Stuttgart 1-0 3-0 HH Young Boys $1.61 $3.75 $5.50 1.775 -3/4 +3/4 2.125 2.05 -1 +1 1.85 1.80 2.75 2.10 76 25 27.5
EPL 24-Oct-10 Sun Liverpool 0-0 2-1 DH Blackburn Rovers $1.67 $3.50 $5.50 1.85 -3/4 +3/4 2.05 2.125 -1 +1 1.775 1.85 2.25 2.05 82 18 27.5
UEFA Cup 04-Nov-10 Thu BATE Borisov 1-1 3-1 DH FC Sheriff $1.61 $3.75 $5.50 1.80 -3/4 +3/4 2.10 2.075 -1 +1 1,825 1.90 2.25 2.00 66 34 27.5












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Ok since u talked about West Ham, lets take a look:



 




















































































































































































































































































































































































Bristol City

Handicap

West Ham United

Update Time

1.06

+0.5/1

0.84

2012-04-17 23:12:30

1.06

+0.5/1

0.83

2012-04-17 23:12:03

1.04

+0.5/1

0.85

2012-04-17 23:05:10

1.06

+0.5/1

0.83

2012-04-17 22:55:42

1.04

+0.5/1

0.85

2012-04-17 22:39:43

1.06

+0.5/1

0.83

2012-04-17 22:13:14

1.04

+0.5/1

0.85

2012-04-17 22:07:31

1

+0.5/1

0.89

2012-04-17 22:06:35

0.99

+0.5/1

0.9

2012-04-17 22:02:11

1

+0.5/1

0.89

2012-04-17 21:56:33

0.99

+0.5/1

0.9

2012-04-17 21:50:40

1

+0.5/1

0.9

2012-04-17 21:50:02

1.01

+0.5/1

0.89

2012-04-17 21:46:37

1

+0.5/1

0.9

2012-04-17 21:35:40

1.02

+0.5/1

0.88

2012-04-17 21:30:00

1

+0.5/1

0.9

2012-04-17 21:16:08

0.99

+0.5/1

0.9

2012-04-17 20:49:26

1.02

+0.5/1

0.88

2012-04-17 20:43:55

1.12

+0.5/1

0.78

2012-04-17 20:34:40

1.1

+0.5/1

0.8

2012-04-17 20:31:01

1.08

+0.5/1

0.82

2012-04-17 20:27:31

1.1

+0.5/1

0.8

2012-04-17 20:23:15

1.12

+0.5/1

0.78

2012-04-17 20:22:40

1.1

+0.5/1

0.8

2012-04-17 17:47:40

1.12

+0.5/1

0.78

2012-04-17 17:45:42

1.1

+0.5/1

0.8

2012-04-17 17:01:11

1.08

+0.5/1

0.82

2012-04-17 16:49:39

1.06

+0.5/1

0.84

2012-04-17 16:32:32

1.05

+0.5/1

0.85

2012-04-17 16:31:23

1.09

+0.5/1

0.81

2012-04-17 16:29:26

1.08

+0.5/1

0.82

2012-04-17 16:11:54

1.1

+0.5/1

0.8

2012-04-17 16:04:41

1.08

+0.5/1

0.82

2012-04-17 15:07:18

1.1

+0.5/1

0.8

2012-04-17 15:02:48

1.08

+0.5/1

0.82

2012-04-17 14:58:29

1.1

+0.5/1

0.8

2012-04-17 14:57:57

1.08

+0.5/1

0.82

2012-04-17 14:44:51

1.07

+0.5/1

0.83

2012-04-17 14:44:17

1.06

+0.5/1

0.83

2012-04-17 14:43:47

1.08

+0.5/1

0.81

2012-04-17 14:28:16

1.06

+0.5/1

0.83

2012-04-17 14:12:58

1.04

+0.5/1

0.85

2012-04-17 13:24:21

1.06

+0.5/1

0.83

2012-04-17 13:00:45

1.04

+0.5/1

0.85

2012-04-17 12:56:58

1.05

+0.5/1

0.84

2012-04-17 12:56:27

1.07

+0.5/1

0.82

2012-04-17 12:36:33

1.05

+0.5/1

0.84

2012-04-17 12:23:05

1.03

+0.5/1

0.86

2012-04-17 12:19:14

1.05

+0.5/1

0.84

2012-04-17 12:18:15

1.03

+0.5/1

0.86

2012-04-17 12:01:29

1.02

+0.5/1

0.87

2012-04-17 11:34:54

1

+0.5/1

0.89

2012-04-17 10:34:33

0.98

+0.5/1

0.91

2012-04-17 06:34:54

0.96

+0.5/1

0.92

2012-04-17 04:54:45

0.99

+0.5/1

0.89

2012-04-17 03:54:32

0.96

+0.5/1

0.92

2012-04-16 23:35:07

0.93

+0.5/1

0.95

2012-04-16 11:54:04

0.92

+0.5/1

0.96

2012-04-15 19:34:34

0.93

+0.5/1

0.95

2012-04-15 19:14:48

0.9

+0.5/1

0.98

2012-04-15 18:54:57(Initial)











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Under

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0.96

2.5/3

0.92

22:57 17/04/2012

0.93

2.5/3

0.95

22:55 17/04/2012

0.96

2.5/3

0.92

22:23 17/04/2012

0.93

2.5/3

0.95

22:23 17/04/2012

0.99

2.5/3

0.89

21:57 17/04/2012

1.02

2.5/3

0.86

21:41 17/04/2012

1

2.5/3

0.88

21:40 17/04/2012

0.96

2.5/3

0.92

21:31 17/04/2012

0.99

2.5/3

0.89

20:44 17/04/2012

0.96

2.5/3

0.92

20:24 17/04/2012

0.93

2.5/3

0.95

20:22 17/04/2012

0.96

2.5/3

0.92

18:21 17/04/2012

0.97

2.5/3

0.91

17:59 17/04/2012

0.98

2.5/3

0.9

17:11 17/04/2012

0.97

2.5/3

0.91

16:48 17/04/2012

0.94

2.5/3

0.94

16:33 17/04/2012

0.96

2.5/3

0.92

15:46 17/04/2012

0.93

2.5/3

0.95

15:46 17/04/2012

0.96

2.5/3

0.92

14:13 17/04/2012

0.93

2.5/3

0.95

13:05 17/04/2012

0.95

2.5/3

0.93

13:05 17/04/2012

0.92

2.5/3

0.96

12:59 17/04/2012

0.94

2.5/3

0.94

12:17 17/04/2012

0.91

2.5/3

0.97

12:15 17/04/2012

0.94

2.5/3

0.94

11:15 17/04/2012

0.96

2.5/3

0.92

06:34 17/04/2012

0.96

2.5/3

0.9

04:14 17/04/2012

1

2.5/3

0.86

03:54 17/04/2012

0.75

2.5

1.11

19:54 16/04/2012

0.8

2.5

1.06

18:54 15/04/2012(Initial)


 Openning odds: 2.5 is normal for Bristol home games but favour over. West ham giving quite high balls for an away match. Looks good for West Ham to give ball.



Current odds: TG rose to 2.75 Over water money higher than under ball. Give ball water money having a decent gap towards Under ball water money.



It seems West Ham looks good to win. First leg West Ham home 0-0. This game sure got goals.



0.75 is quite a high handicap for Lesson 1's over ball betting odds signal. I always stress that the lower the handicap the scoring burden is shared with both teams. Can West Ham score 3 goals? Take West Ham better if odds remains like this or similar to opening odds.





Bro i do agree with your analysis looking at the odds is either WIn by 1 or draw. the drop in TG from 2.75 to 2.50 and the water money for over 2.50 is only 0.80 might be the bookie trap to tempt punters.

Under seems a good bet and from records suggest a 0-0 / 0-1. if AH drop

Home Draw Away Open Asian Handicap Close Asian Handicap Total Goals Market
Competition Date Day Home HT FT HT/FT Away WH WH WH Home Home Away Away Home Home Away Away Over AH Under Home Away Change
Italian Serie A 20-Dec-08 Sat Siena 1-1 1-2 DA Inter Milan $5.50 $3.30 $1.57 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 2.00 +3/4 -3/4 1.90 1.90 2.50 2.00 2.5
EPL 04-Apr-09 Sat Fulham 0-0 0-1 DA Liverpool $6.00 $3.60 $1.60 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 2.075 +3/4 -3/4 1.825 1.95 2.25 1.95 5
Spanish Primeira Liga 24-Jan-10 Sun Tenerife 0-0 0-0 DD Valencia $5.00 $3.60 $1.61 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 1.90 +3/4 -3/4 2.00 1.85 2.50 2.05 11 89 12.5
Euro Cup 29-Sep-10 Wed Rubin Kazan 1-0 1-1 HD Barcelona $5.50 $3.75 $1.61 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 2.00 +3/4 -3/4 1.90 1.95 2.50 1.95 18 82 2.5
EPL 28-Nov-10 Sun Newcastle United 1-0 1-1 HD Chelsea $5.50 $3.60 $1.67 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 1.95 +3/4 -3/4 1.95 1.95 2.50 1.95 23 77 7.5
EPL 01-Feb-11 Tue Sunderland 2-2 2-4 DA Chelsea $5.50 $3.60 $1.67 2.075 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 1.925 +3/4 -3/4 1.975 2.125 2.50 1.775 19 81 19
EPL 22-May-11 Sun Bolton Wanderers 0-1 0-2 AA Manchester City $4.33 $3.50 $1.73 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 1.925 +3/4 -3/4 1.975 1.95 2.75 1.95 32 68 10
EPL 19-Nov-11 Sat Norwich 1-1 1-2 DA Arsenal $5.50 $3.40 $1.70 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 1.925 +3/4 -3/4 1.975 1.95 3.00 1.95 11 89 10
EPL 02-Feb-12 Thu Bolton Wanderers 0-0 0-0 DD Arsenal $5.00 $3.50 $1.73 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 2.125 +3/4 -3/4 1.775 1.85 2.75 2.05 20 80 10
International Friendlies 29-Feb-12 Wed Kazakhstan 0-0 0-0 DD Latvia $4.80 $3.20 $1.67 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 -




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Italian Serie A 20-Dec-08 Sat Siena 1-1 1-2 DA Inter Milan  $   5.50  $   3.30  $   1.57 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 2.00 +3/4 -3/4 1.90 1.90 2.50 2.00     2.5
EPL 04-Apr-09 Sat Fulham 0-0 0-1 DA Liverpool  $   6.00  $   3.60  $   1.60 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 2.075 +3/4 -3/4 1.825 1.95 2.25 1.95     5
Spanish Primeira Liga 24-Jan-10 Sun Tenerife 0-0 0-0 DD Valencia  $   5.00  $   3.60  $   1.61 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 1.90 +3/4 -3/4 2.00 1.85 2.50 2.05 11 89 12.5
Euro Cup 29-Sep-10 Wed Rubin Kazan    1-0 1-1 HD Barcelona  $   5.50  $   3.75  $   1.61 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 2.00 +3/4 -3/4 1.90 1.95 2.50 1.95 18 82 2.5
EPL 28-Nov-10 Sun Newcastle United 1-0 1-1 HD Chelsea  $   5.50  $   3.60  $   1.67 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 1.95 +3/4 -3/4 1.95 1.95 2.50 1.95 23 77 7.5
EPL 01-Feb-11 Tue Sunderland 2-2 2-4 DA Chelsea  $   5.50  $   3.60  $   1.67 2.075 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 1.925 +3/4 -3/4 1.975 2.125 2.50 1.775 19 81 19
EPL 22-May-11 Sun Bolton Wanderers 0-1 0-2 AA Manchester City  $   4.33  $   3.50  $   1.73 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 1.925 +3/4 -3/4 1.975 1.95 2.75 1.95 32 68 10
EPL 19-Nov-11 Sat Norwich 1-1 1-2 DA Arsenal  $   5.50  $   3.40  $   1.70 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 1.925 +3/4 -3/4 1.975 1.95 3.00 1.95 11 89 10
EPL 02-Feb-12 Thu Bolton Wanderers 0-0 0-0 DD Arsenal  $   5.00  $   3.50  $   1.73 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 2.125 +3/4 -3/4 1.775 1.85 2.75 2.05 20 80 10
International Friendlies 29-Feb-12 Wed Kazakhstan 0-0 0-0 DD Latvia  $   4.80  $   3.20  $   1.67 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875 2.025 +3/4 -3/4 1.875           -




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quote originally posted by SlackerZ:

Noted both bros' inputs...thanks!


Bro looking at West Ham game, best is avoid as the rates set by the bookie is too conservative and the winning advantage is too low




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Bro looking at West Ham game, best is avoid as the rates set by the bookie is too conservative and the winning advantage is too low





heavy burden on west ham to score. besides opening odds is 2.5 only.



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Yup thks to both of you,i avoid this match.




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Hi can someone explain to me in simple english how this theory works , i cant understand half of those terms and where in the sportsbook do i see those lines , total goal line or asian handicap?
i dont understand what x presents in first post in this thread Smile ?

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Hi Bro Klavier,
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can you should more simply on how to calculate 3 tier handicap for each team or league?
i am seeing stars all over.
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